I saw a video on the Fryette PS2 on how to use it in a wet dry wet set up using the PS2 one amp head and stereo power amp and three cabinets. My set up is Evh5150 50watt head, speaker out into the fryette ps2 then speaker out to the center dry cabinet. I then run out of the line out on the PS2 I to the send of there stereo effects (eventide micro pitch, Evh sde3000 digital delay. Out of the delay I. Stereo into a synergy 50/50 power amp in stereo left and right and then speaker outs from the power amp into the left and right speaker. It’s awesome and Instantly sounds like Van Hager era EVH tone. My problem is my pedal board which I am running from my guitar through my pedals phaser flanger wah into the front of the 5150 head are also coming through the wet speakers left and right. I was under the impression that the “dry cab” effects would only come through the dry cab but itnis not. The dry effects are coming through all 3 cabs. I’m sure it’s some routing issue on the front end but I don’t wanna blow anything up trying different things. Even with the effects coming through all three cabs it sounds good but bothers me that it’s not working as expect with the dry effects just coming through the dry cab. Any thoughts. I’m and advanced player but this is my first dive into wet dry wet. Please help!!
Hi Romjay and welcome to the community,
I think you have done it correctly. Certain FX like Wah should apply globally. But if you want to have them only on the wet side, you need to move them from the front of the amp. They need to between the PS2 line out and the EVH SDE3000.
Hi Romjay, Dan is absolutely correct. You have set up a very basic W/D/W rig correctly. The wah, phase, etc… into the front of the amplifier will act globally as it is feeding the preamplifier section with those effects. The signal is then sent to the PS and split out to your “post effects”. Those effects will have to be set to allow dry signal to pass through them to make this setup work properly. Normally, we’d be looking to use a stereo line mixer from the PS output, the output would be sent to the input of the effects and their returns would be brought back into the mixer along with the dry signal. In the case of units like an Eventide H3000, it’s usually treated like a chorus or a multi effects unit. It would be in your first mix with the dry signal. The delays would normally be post mix or in the second mix. The SDE3000EVH was specifically designed with this use in mind. I would definitely check out their manual for routing options without a mixer.
Basic Diagram:
Wah–Phase–Flanger—Amp — PS2 — Cab | PS2 send ---- Eventide set at 50% or below ==== SDE3000EVH === 50/50 Power amp ==== Cabinets
Advanced Diagram:
Wah–Phase–Flanger—Amp — PS2 — Cab | PS2 send ---- Stereo Line Mixer Input 1 (Dry Signal Pass Through) — Expand Out 1---- Eventide (set for Kill Dry) ==== Mixer Input 2 L/R, Expand Out 2 ---- SDE3000 (Kill Dry) === Mixer Input 3 L/R, Mixer Main Output L/R ==== 50/50 Power amp ==== Cabinets
Key: ---- Mono === Stereo
The dry signal is a must in the wet cabs unless you are specifically looking to remove it. I hope this longwinded post helps with your rig! Have an amazing day!
Thanks so much. So I’ve basically set up the most basic wet dry wet possible and it works! It sounds awesome even with the front end effects going globally so I might just stay happy with that but if I were to get a stereo line mixer could you recommend one that are reasonable? I assume it would be some kind of a rack unit. Thanks again and I’m loving the PS. My sound is huge now! Hopefully somewhere EVH is giving me the thumbs up!
If you’d like to maintain a compact footprint, a micro line mixer from RJM Music Technology is a great option. It’s very simple and will keep the pedals on your board until you are ready to go with a MIDI controller and rack setup. They have low noise and support the dry pass through we were discussing earlier. Running a larger dual stereo line mixer will be great when you start adding quite a bit more to the system. Have an amazing day! If you have an issue with the system after this, I can diagram out the use of the micro line mixer with your current setup in a more graphics friendly package for you then.
Hey thanks I’m going to purchase the line mixer. Can you give me a diagram. I’m not that smart how and where to put it in the signal chain. I greatly appreciate it. My tone is finally getting to where I want to be!
I’ll build one up for you and have it back here in the morning pacific time. Please list all of the equipment you are going to be using. It makes it easier for a complete diagram. If not, I’ll go off of what you have listed. Thank you!
Guitar - Peterson Tuner - Wah - Flanger - Phaser - Into Front End of Evh5150 50 watt - Speaker out of head into speaker in of the Power Station PS2 - Speaker out of PS2 into center “dry” cabinet - Line out of the PS2 into send of eventide micro pitch (Stereo) - in to EVH SDE 3000 (stereo) - out of delay in stereo to left and right side of Synergy 50/50 power amp. Speaker outs left and right from power amp into left and right wet speakers.
I also want to put a boss noise suppressor in the chain? Any thought were to put it. Thank you so much for doing this. I greatly appreciate it!
Also with the sde delay not really getting that ping pong effect but it’s probably something in the delay settings I need to figure that one out with the manual.
I believe they call that parallel 2 in the manual. The original SDE 3000 had a dry and effect output. Stereo effect were made possible by using two SDE3000’s. One delay time on the right from Unit #1 and one delay time on the left from Unit #2. That’s where the mixers came in back in the day (and even now). With the new SDE3000EVH, they have internal routing that allows for this, and you can absolutely do it that way without an issue. The mixer is more to retain the original unprocessed sound. I’ll run the diagram a couple ways to show the best options with and without. I’ll try to detail the internal settings within both units needed to make that sound happen with each rig.
That’s sounds great! Thank you so much!!
Hi Romjay,
Here’s the first diagram using a line mixer to run your WDW rig.
Simple Mixer Based WDW Rig.pdf (200.3 KB)
I am so greatful for this. Completely understand this diagram. It also helped me cut down on some wire management. Thanks so much. You have a fryette customer for life! Thank you very much!
Hey Terry,
Wanted to thank you for this diagram. I put this gig together and to be honest with the RJM mixer the Eventide Micro Pitch sounds completely epic! My sound is huge but I do have a problem. According to your diagram I have the EVH SDE 3000 delay Left and Right outputs from the delay plugged in to the Wet2 on the mixer. The input on the micro pitch and delay are plugged to the dry out and I set up kill dry on the micro pitch and everything works get. The delay however I can’t get to work at all. I set it to dry mute tried all kinds of setting on the delay and the delay does not come through at all. I get nothing. Really frustrated cause I am almost there but can get the delay to work at all. I have the TRS to Dual TS cables and everything plugged in according to your diagram. Granted you need a degree from NASA to run the delay but I think I did everything correctly. Any idea on things I could try cause I want this to work badly!!! PLEASE HELP!!! Thank you so much.
Jay Romish
Hi Jay,
That’s absolutely awesome! Quick question, did you set the internal switch to stereo operation on the micro line mixer? Just making sure. It would make it so one output was available if not. Which would give you a single side only (the micro pitch).
The other thing with the sde3000 is making sure you are using the EFX L/R out. Which it sounds like you are doing. Let me know if any of that helped. If not, switch to a TS to dual TS cable from the dry out to the two pedals. Easy fix.
Make sure you put up a quick clip/video once you get it going!
Thanks,
Terry
AHHHH! Wow didn’t realize there was a jumper inside the unit. That’s got to be it. Didn’t even think of that. I will open it up and make the switch. I am sure that is it. I’ll give it a try and get back to you. Might help if I read the manual! LOL!. Thanks so much for your advice and help!!
Jay
Hi Jay,
Yeah, that’s one of those things where the “dry” part is the only place it really matters (everything else is stereo without the jumper) and it’s more likely someone will run that mono anyway. I’m sure RJM had to do some creative things to get that as small as possible and adding an external switch could have caused problems staying within the enclosure constraints or someone accidentally hitting it and ruining a gig. There could be a few reasons for it being a jumper instead and I totally get it. Like I said, you shouldn’t have an issue running a TS to Dual TS mono cable either. It’s the same signal and it’s buffered.
Thanks,
Terry
Hey Terry,
Yep switching the output to stereo did the trick and its pretty damn awesome. I will try and do a bad cell phone video to let you hear it but its pretty great. I owe you one for helping me get it right and my quest for ultimate tone has been met (for now 
). You got a fan that will promote Fryette forever. Cheers to you and the Fryette Team! Thanks so much!
Jay
Hi Jay,
I am extremely happy to hear you got everything running! Sounds like a really cool set up you got going on. Definitely post that video when you get a chance. It’d be great to see and hear everything after you worked so hard to get it up and running.
Thank You,
Terry
Hey Terry,
Before I record the video is was trying to add my Synergy SYN1 to this set up just like you diagramed. The syn1 I checked out with just the amp and speaker cabinet and it gives me two other channels which is awesome. I followed the SYn instructions on how to hook it up with the “amp in” from the syn1 to the front of the 5150 and from the back of the syn1 send return to the send and return on the 5150 effect loop. As a stand alone withough the Fryette not in the mix it works great. I essentially have 5 different tones. Three from the 5150 channels and two from the synergy module but when I throw the fryette into the mix with my wet dry wet set up that configuation does not work. I get no sound at all. I checked and it says the effects loop on the 5150 has to be series and it is but I am sure with the current configuration with wet dry wet I am doing something wrong. Not a big deal but Id love to add the synergy to the mix. in the wet dry wet format. ANy thoughts? WOuld I plug the syn 1 into the effects loop on the fryette. Sorry I am a pain in the ass!
Jay