I’m adding in the Cyplos to be able to also have my Synergy Pre-amp system integrated into my PowerStation rig. I also have a separate rig that has several amps connected through a deLisle 8x6 Amp switch. I’ll just send the amplifer output signal of the switch into the AMP IN of the PowerStation.
My thought is all I have to do is my Guitar (plus front end pedals) go to the INPUT of the Cyplos. All preamp connections go to my Synergy SYN 1/Cylops as normal. The AMP INPUT signal will them go to the INPUT of my Amp Switch. The AMP OUT of my Amp Switch will then go to the AMP IN of the PowerStation. Power Station SPEAKER OUT goes to my speaker cabinet. Does this signal routing seem correct?
In Preamp Mode, the AMP INPUT is switch off and the preamp signal goes through the Cylpos to the power amp section of the PowerStation. When in AMPLIFER mode, the AMP INPUT is active and will send my guitar signal to the INPUT of the amp switch, through the amplifer I’ve selected on the switch and that amplifer output will go to the AMP IN of the PowerStation for attenuation and/or re-amp. As long as the Impedence of all the amplifers in the switch match the speaker impedance, I should be good.
I personally would run the Power Station in the attenuator loop. The Cyclops will be set up the same way as shown in the manual and will bypass the amplifiers in the switcher and will output to whatever cabinet is selected. Like you stated, the “To Amp Input” jack on the Cyclops will go to the switcher. That way you can choose the preamp without concern for what is before it or after it.
Terry - I FINALLY got around to making all the cables to get everything connected to the Cyclopse and my DeLisle Switch. As stated from above, I connected the Cyclopse per the manual and have the “To AMP Input” going to the switch, I then have the “Amp In” on the PS-100 going to the “Attenuator Send” of my switch. The “Speaker Out” on the PS-100 goes to the “Attenuator Out” of the switch. Utilizing the attenuation loop internal to the switch. What I’m finding is there is some very high attenuation happening. If I try and balance the Volume on the PS-100 to match the amplifier (i.e. switching bypass on/off), the volume in bypass mode is 2x higher even with the PS-100 volume maxed. I talked with the switch OEM and in my configuration, it should be just passing the signal through the switch to the PS-100. Any insights? I haven’t tried, but I could disconnect the attenuation loop and just run the speaker output of the switch to the Amp In and then Speaker Out to my cabinet, however in my current configuration, it should work the same.
Try toggling the position of the front panel HI/LO switch and also double-check the impedance on the back of the power station matches the amp and the speaker. These can be sources of lower volume.
If you continue to have issues post a photo of your setup so I can see the interconnects.
Here is how my setup is connected. Preamp works as it should with plenty of volume from the PS-100. In Amplifier mode it is extrememly attenuated. As an Example: All the knobs on the PS-100 are a noon, my Synergy Pre-amp volume is at noon it is extrememly loud in the room. Sorry I don’t have a dB meter. If I switch to Amplifier mode (using my Freedman Runt 50 and master volume at noon) in Bypass mode it is much louder than the pre-amp volume was. In operate mode is maybe 70-80% less volume with the PS-100 volume at noon and goes to maybe half the bypass volume with the PS-100 volume at full. I’d expect a re-amp volume to be much more than my 50W head, but it is about half.
As a test I plugged straight in to my switch (line from guitar to cyclops input moved to Delisle switch Input), cyclops was still connected to the preamp side of the PS-100 and same results in amplifier mode. However, removing the Cyclops with the PS-100 (no Line In/Line Out connection), The PS-100 acted normal. So something inside the Cyclops is loading down the PS-100 when it is connected to the Line In/Out and in amplifier mode. Thinking I have a bad Cyclops?
How is the Input Level switch on the front of the PS-100 set? I don’t see this discussed in any prior posts. If it’s set to HI (button in), switch it to LO (button out).
Start there and then use the Preamp level switch on the back of the Cyclops to get a good volume balance between the amp and preamp.
Also, try the above without any pedals on the PS loop. Once you have your Amp/Preamp levels in the ballpark, add the pedals to the PS loop and compare the Loop Hi and Loop Lo setting for those pedals.
PS100 Level Switch was set to Low, and I set the Preamp switch to Line (out), it was set to Inst (In). The volume levels between amplifier and preamp do get matched, however the same issue remains. I removed the pedals from the FX loop with no change.
When in amplifier mode if I try to balance the volume on the PS100 level to that of the amplifier (bypass/operate) it will not get there with the Cyclops in the preamp loop of the PS100. I can have the PS100 volume at full, my 50W amp is at noon and the difference in volume between operate (should be re-amped to 100W) and bypass (amp straight to speakers) is ~50% attenuated. In other words, the bypass volume is roughly double that of the Operate volume even with the PS100 at full volume. If I only remove the Cyclops from the Line In/Out of PS100 (guitar is still connected to the Input of the Cyclops and Amp out of the Cyclops is going to my switch) …I can balance the PS100 volume between Operate mode and Bypass mode with the PS100 volume at around 1-2 O’clock position. If I increase the PS100 to full (5 O’clock position) the output is significantly higher in Operate than in bypass. Telling me it is re-amped and outputting towards the full 100W.
As another test, I ran my Synergy Preamp directly into the PS100 Line In/Out (removed the Cyclops from the PS100 entirely). It functions normally with a lot of volume when the PS100 is pegged. So, my problem statement is this:
When the Cyclops is connected to the PS100 Line In/Out and Amplifer selected the PS100 Speaker output (in Operate Mode) is roughly 50% the output volume as Bypass mode with the PS100 volume at full.
BINGO!!! That was it, working as it should now. I feel a little stupid I didn’t look at that before, I thought is was a level for the DI out…Thanks for all your help and patience!
It is, actually, but at this moment, you’re using the PS-2 is a way that requires that level to be full up. In another application where you may need to back the level down, that will be there when you need it.
