I’m the owner of a PS-100 which I’m using to attenuate a 100W amp, which works great.
I’m also using the line out to feed a wet chain of effects which then goes to Left and right wet cabs (no dry mix). The problem I’m having is even though the pedals are set to kill dry (fed through a gigrig wetter box) I’m still getting a harsh dry signal through my wet cabs.
The manuals for the wetter box and the 2 x Eventide H9’s I’m running both say they can handle line level signal. I’ve tried feeding this setup from my pedalboard and it works fine. I’ve also tried feeding a source audio collider with the line out from the power station and it works fine. I just have the issue with the wetter box set up.
Have you set up the H9’s for kill dry audio? Check out page 39 of the H9 manual. There’s going to be a couple of things to set up with that. I don’t have a ton of experience with the Wetter Box. I’ll see if I can get some information from Gig Rig. It could be the H9’s still passing dry signal, a phase issue because of before mentioned issue, or it could be those issues and/or the input and output levels not set for the current scenario. A unity gain line mixer is usually the best choice but you already have the Gig Rig unit and I like Dan and what he does. So we’ll try to solve this without changing anything out.
Can you let me know if your Wetter Box is set to “mix” or “blend”? Have you tried just a single pedal?
Also, I do have another question for you, why aren’t you allowing dry signal into your wet cabs? The great thing about wet/dry/wet, is how big it sounds. The issue some have is misunderstanding the idea of “wet” cabs. Wet cabs have the dry signal in them as well, the dry signal just isn’t often sent through the effects. The dry signal in the wet cabs in a lot of rigs can be muted for certain effects if wanted.
If this is the first time building a W/D/W rig, there are a few clients on this forum that have done it. There are some diagrams up on the basic wiring of that kind of system. Everything that is old is new again. Wet dry wet rigs were all the rage in our era, they are gaining popularity again (I’m extremely happy for that).
I’ll hopefully have some time after work today to sit down and go through what you suggested. It’s possible the H9’s (which are definitely set to kill dry) don’t have the right routing option, but it’s just strange that when I feed a instrument level signal from the pedal board into the H9/wetterbox setup everything works as it should.
I have done W/D/W setups before, I’m only putting wet in the cabs this time for something different. It means I get to keep the guitar into amp sound as simple as possible while having some stereo stuff going on in speakers either side.
It’s a great sound, and having independent volume control of a cranked Marshall (thanks to the power station) works great and just makes sense to me.
I’ll let you know how I go. Thanks again Terry, enjoy the rest of your week.
Sounds great! Let me know how it goes over the weekend. The more I read about the Wetter Box, the more I’m thinking you may be right about where it can go. I’d have to pop one open or see a schematic to see what they’re doing.
I can tell you, I have never had an issue with the RJM Music Mini or Micro Line Mixer, The Suhr Minimix II, or the Bradshaw DSLM. They all work perfectly at line level signal. I am definitely not saying the Wetter Box doesn’t work, I don’t have one. I’m saying in your situation, from what I can see, it looks like it may not be the solution.
I tried what you suggested and read up on the manuals and it looks like the pedals I’m using don’t like the line level coning from the power station.
I simplified the setup to use ony the source audio collider (which says it accepts line level) so no wetter box or H9’s. I Still had the same issue of a harsh, dry signal bleeding into the kill dry speakers. As i said in an earlier post, when I feed the kill dry pedal with a dry split from the pedalboard everything works as it should. I only get the issue when using the line out from the power station.
I’ve emailed source audio to get their advice. Would you suggest using something to drop the line level to instrument level from the power station?
So this is kind of a strange issue. The reason being is that there should only be the sound of the reactive load at the line out. That would normally feed effects and then be sent to a power amplifier and then out to speakers. Are you by any chance running wet into full range (FRFR)?
Can you detail the rig for me so I know what is going where?
Yes, I’m using FRFR cabs. The signal chain is guitar straight into Mashall 1987x, power station PS 100 connected between speaker out and cab. Line out of power station into source audio collider’s input, source audio colliders L&R oututs to 2 x FRFR cabs. I’m using a leleh P slip at once of the cabs incase i get any earth loops.
Ahhhhh, now it all makes sense. So the audio coming from the PS-100 is raw without any “speaker” sound or filtering whatsoever. It’s going to sound harsh. If you were going out to a guitar cab, you wouldn’t have this issue. Full range speakers are meant to be wide open frequency-wise, you need either an IR loader or analog cab emulation.
The PL-IR is great for this. Right now, it’s all load. You can test this by going direct into your DAW from the output of the wet chain and adding a free IR plugin or if you already have one, just turn on the plugin and you’ll hear it clear up. If you have another guitar cab you can use that and it’ll fix it as well.
Thanks again Terry, and sorry for the late reply. I tried using the line out, into a Stereo Cabzeus and straight into flat responde speakers, and it still sounded very harsh!
I’ll spend some more time with it this weekend and see if its a settings issue with the cabzeus.
I’ve had good results just running a direct split from the guitar, one side straight into the amp and the other side into a pre amp pedal, then kill dry effects then to FRFR.