Line level send and return for wet dry wet volume control

Hi there

The way I like to manage my wet dry wet setup is that I use my reactive load to create a line level signal that I split into 3 paths. One path feeds a dry amp and cab and the other 2 paths go into my stereo wet effects before they are fed to a stereo amp and then go to the stereo cabs.

The advantage of this approach is that I only need to adjust the level of the single reactive load line out to adjust the levels going to the 3 wet dry wet paths.

I am considering to incorporate a ps100 to use as the combined reactive load and the power amp I use to drive the dry cab.
The issue here is that I would be separating my level control meaning I would need to adjust my line out level to adjust the wet channels and separately adjust the ps100 output level to adjust the dry cab volume.

A workaround here I thought of is that I could send the line out from the PS100 and split it like I did before and then bring the dry split back into the line in of the ps100 which would then get sent to the power amp and then to the dry cab.

In this scenario the line level output of the ps100 would again become my master level control.

Would this approach work and more importantly would the line level sent and returned to the ps100 be identical to the signal driving the ps100 when the line in is not in use?

I assume the signal channeled internally to the ps100 power amp would be identical to the line out signal hence my routing approach would not add any colour. Hoping there are no gotchas to this workaround.

Hi Bukman,

What is your complete set up if you don’t mind? It’s easier for me to work the signal path if I know what’s in it. There are a few ways to make this work that are extremely simple. Just have to know how you’re splitting the signal.

Thank You,

Terry

Hey Terry

My guitar goes to my amps via a switcher.

The amp then feeds an attenuator and I take the line out from the attenuator which is split into 3 paths.

First path goes to my dry solid state amp and into my dry cabinet.
The other 2 paths go into my stereo wet effects chain and then into my solid state stereo amp and then the stereo cabs.

The cabs are identical and so once I match the volumes of the solid state amps I can keep the volume level of the overall setup managed by controlling the single line out of my attenuator (pre split).

I want to introduce a ps100 as my attenuator and also use it as my dry cab amp and also add a tube stereo power amp for the wet side possibly an LX2.

The problem here is the ps100 speaker out level is separate to the line out level and so I now have to separately adjust the ps100 speaker level to the wet amp speaker level.

This is where I thought that I could take the Ps100 line out and split it like I did before and feed the dry channel back into the ps100 line in. With this approach I can control all 3 levels again by adjusting the ps100 line out level pre splitter.

Hope that is clear. I could try and draw something otherwise.

That’s perfect. Thank you for the detail. You could just take the line out of the PS100, use something like a JHS little black amp box or a low impedance volume pedal (system volume) pre-split to control the total volume going to everything, and then run the dry into the FX loop return on the PS100 and the wet into the LXII like described for your wet cabs. That would probably be the easiest way to do this. There’s a few people on here that run a volume pedal as a remote system volume.

Hope that helps!

Thank You,

Terry

Thanks Terry. Much appreciated.
Glad this scenario is achievable.

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Absolutely! I personally tend to separate everything into dry level and wet levels. I have always run a volume pedal as a total system volume. You can have fun with some wild effects and not have the gain change that way. Wet levels for all of my systems are handled by a stereo line mixer. I can kill the dry signal through the wet cabs when needed and still get the signal where it needs to be for pure wet stuff (usually weird Eventide effects). Have an amazing day!

Terry

I didn’t mention as it would have got complicated but my line path splitting is done using a Switchblade ET by sound sculpture.

This allows me a huge amount of flexibility of signal path and effect routing options (multing and summing in series and parallel etc) meaning I can also do what you are doing as well as control all the individual path levels via midi plus store routings as recallable patches. It’s quite a mind blowing product and way ahead of its time.

Sadly Ken the guy that owned soundsculpture passed away in 2023 and no one in his family took over the business that I am aware. No one else is making these types of guitar effect routing products either which is a real shame.

I guess I am lucky to have got mine before he passed and just hoping it keeps working.

I know the unit well. So far ahead of its time. Very cool.